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well good evening it's good to be back

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with you the kevin cook show we've got

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heidi hollis on board with us we're

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going to have an excellent excellent

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guest on

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tony cullen that's uh relative to the

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book josiah's fire

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and it'll really be a interesting story

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involves divine in

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contact with the divine and we'll get

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into all those issues right after the

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break but we've got some good news

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pieces heidi i know this will uh make

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you happy

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the supreme the supreme court is

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upholded for the most part trump's

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immigration ban this is not good news

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it's not

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well good gravy i would think it would

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be uh

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i mean uh and actually it should work

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and uh

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also

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connected with that uh there are

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tremendous demonstrations in europe over

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the muslim invasion that we don't hear

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and uh i just thought

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you know those two stories would go hand

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in hand

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and uh i just um try to bring a little

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sunshine into your life whenever i can

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bring it i know i

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i know you you haul muslims over here

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and seek c train containers if you could

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that's not the case i mean

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with discretion of course i mean it's uh

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i mean i i get it it's like there's a

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lot of stuff going on in the world

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yeah but you don't need to import it but

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on another story now this is more up

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your alley uh i don't know if you're

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familiar with uh

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oh this is circa that way back in the

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60s you might have read about these ufo

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stories at

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maelstrom and minot air force base where

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actually ufos seem to have had some

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oh yes yeah i have heard that

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well what what it is this guy dates back

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to that era

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and it's ex-air force captain david

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shindale as s-c-h-i-n-d-e-l-e

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was a crew commander at minot air force

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base north dakota

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and this is circa december 6 1966

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but he said uh ufos destroyed 10 nukes

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at the base

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on that

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like as a retired air force captain he's

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not some kind of loony

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and it was also it was also reported in

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the minot daily news

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on december 6

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at that same date

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and uh

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told to keep quiet about it

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and uh

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uh he's fixing to release a book on it

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but it's similar to an event at

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maelstrom air force base in montana

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which is perhaps the more famous case

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but i mean both situations occurred

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and there was interplay between our

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nukes and these ufos and uh

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so i mean this is something pretty

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different heidi i mean it's kind of a

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kind of a revisit to historical stuff

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but i kind of trust air force captains

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and military types because you know for

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squared away people and uh you know i

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also look at it this way this guy's

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probably not make writing a book to make

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lots of money he's a retired air force

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captain after all

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he's not living in a living under a

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bridge or anything and also he's no

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spring chickens who've been air force

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captain in 1966

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i i tend to see a certain credibility

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there if you will yeah yeah i get it

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but uh also in my beloved new york

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right outside of the right outside of

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the suburb of new york they saw an

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excellent video and for people

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interested in that they could go the

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latest ufo sightings uh on the internet

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but uh heidi this was a really good shot

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of a ufo classical ufo

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video that would show up if you went to

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latest ufo sightings you'd see the

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youtube video but it was at 4 30 a.m in

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the outskirts of new york

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deal with them a lot but

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they've highlighted that with all the

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cameras on phones and video and this and

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and even miracles and uh heidi this is

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some real stuff here

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the proliferation of these kind of

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things heidi they're seeing

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yeah frankly a lot of ghostly images on

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close circuit tv cameras things are

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changing i mean things are really

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changing it's getting

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the world i don't know you know they say

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the veil is the veil is lifting it

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really is seeming like something's

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lifting because a lot is coming into

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that's really what it is well also with

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everybody being monitored on every

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street corner with cameras and hotels

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i remember one of the best ones i've

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seen i might have mentioned on some

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previous show but it was a museum in

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where they did they had close circuit tv

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cameras eyeballing everything

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they had a picture a ghostly image

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of like a guy in a knights uniform not a

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not shining armor but like medieval

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image it wasn't just a worker there uh

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an actor if you will it wasn't anything

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like that this was a ghostly image and

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this i mean there's stuff hopping and

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the news uh that

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you know the group hacker

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hacktivist group anonymous

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released a video saying that they

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believe nasa is on the verge of

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disclosing

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alien life being found and they're not

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intelligent lives places yes i'm like

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really well you know i guess heidi i

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thought i saw that i was going to

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mention that to you as well

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okay the only guy that's really

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potent guy that i've had contact with as

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far as high security well i've had high

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security clearance people like some

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green berets and stuff but

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uh and he has a tremendous security

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clearance working for the cia for 20

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years and being a green beret colonel

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and he worked at white sands uh

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you know missile range and all that what

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think for 10 seconds there are ufos and

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that there's not

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alien life he says it's as true as

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matter of fact he told me just like i

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was in his troop like what's the matter

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with you how did you get to be a

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sergeant are you stupid or what you know

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basically equivalent to the british

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version the joint chiefs of staff

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who died in 2003 said yes of course

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there's alien life we're here we know

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we can't do anything about it we don't

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know their mission but they're here

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was their british chairman from their

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joint chiefs of staff so all i'm saying

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in the know have disclosed it

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a lot of intelligence there and uh

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hillary clinton made allusion to

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giving up the beans but uh all right

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but anyway unfortunately we don't have

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hill on well no fortunately we don't

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have her but anyway that's a whole

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and we'll be right back with tanya

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well it's good to be back with uh heidi

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and uh tommy's going to be on with us

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and just as an intro

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joe and tony cullen were thrust into a

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nightmare when their two-year-old son

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a typical toddler suddenly lost his

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and tani felt like she'd been handed a

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how could a good god have allowed this

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to happen and how can tony find hope for

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their future in their attempts to see

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josiah recover and regain speech the

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collins underwent huge physical

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while other kids around him improved

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josiah only got worse five years later

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josiah who'd not been formally taught to

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write read suddenly began to type on his

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ipad profound sentences about god

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josiah's ongoing visions revelations and

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heavenly visits forced his family out of

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their comfort zone predictable theology

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and stagnant relationship with god

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catapulting them into a mind-blowing

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adventure with jesus

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now this is an intro on on the uh

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for the book but uh tony uh this is a

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heck of a story you've got here

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my co-host she actually has had uh

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yeah and it's actually it's actually a

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whole different deal when you're the

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parent

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of somebody who's having these

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experiences and you have not had them

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yourself

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yeah yeah

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how cool that you're open-minded enough

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to

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take it for what it is or how did you

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take it when this first started

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happening

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well yeah

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it wasn't on my grid

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um for one thing

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uh

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you know

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for for my son um he he's non-verbal and

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functioning and severe

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oh believe it or not i'm an occupational

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therapist too so that's so you

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understand i do

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so really a lot of people would think

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you know he has the mind of a toddler he

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barely knows his shapes his letters his

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numbers

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well um

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we we had been doing uh i'm kind of fast

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forwarding a little bit but uh actually

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i'm gonna just tell you i'm just gonna

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answer your question and then we'll

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fill in uh the rest with other questions

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but basically when when it started

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happening that josiah started coming out

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with things um by typing on the ipad

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things that he had never been taught

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things that i didn't know

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and then heavenly things honestly it

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wasn't on my grid

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it was happening i knew i wasn't going

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crazy and yet uh

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you know i'm working at a church at that

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point

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i'm i'm a christian that like

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i didn't even know who i could safely

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share this with

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that's how

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off the radar it was for me yet when

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something is happening to you uh and

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it's happening to your child it's

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happening in front of your eyes what can

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you do

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yeah true true that's cool so you leaned

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in and you listened

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i became very good at asking questions

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ah

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okay

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and he was able to that's

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what was more surprising what he was

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writing or that he was writing

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well um

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you know if you want me to just kind of

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build up to

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yeah when this happened i'll give you a

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little background

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so um you know our little son he was he

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was meeting all of his milestones he was

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doing really great for the first almost

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two years of life and then very suddenly

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over about

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three weeks time he lost he lost the

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ability to play

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he lost

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the ability to

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respond to his name

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he absolutely just seemed like he was in

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a whole other world he was spinning

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wheels on things he wasn't responding to

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us

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he lost the words that he had several

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words that he had words like mama and

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dada and banana and and it felt like we

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were losing him and we were absolutely

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terrified because

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there was no reason why this should have

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happened

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from what we could tell

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and so um you know that is the nature of

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this type of autism uh

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you know there's classic autism which

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which people would say well you know

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there's been something kind of present

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since birth kind of classic you know

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symptoms different things

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this kind of regressive autism is a lot

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more prevalent today so they will say

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that the classic type of autism uh is

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still probably about one in ten thousand

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people whereas this kind of regressive

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autism is more like one in 50 kids today

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um

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one in 50.

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when josiah was diagnosed it was 1 in

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150

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and so that was um almost 10 years ago

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and so it's it's it's the leading

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childhood developmental disorder today

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and basically you know we get the

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diagnosis

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and the doctors say autism spectrum

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disorder no known cause no known cure

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lifelong

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and you're staring at your two-year-old

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child

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going

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you know as a mother

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and as a christian

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i'm going okay where is hope when there

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and what is our future and what is his

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future

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look like so you know of course we

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mobilized we did absolutely everything

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we could we got him into the best you

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know therapies and you know 40 hours a

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week of therapy uh

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applied behavioral

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therapy and and speech and ot and all of

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those things occupational therapy um

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but

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we weren't able to regain

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speech

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despite even all the biomedical

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treatment and vitamins and diets and

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man there are so many things that you

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try

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and um

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at age five we were given the addendum

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to this diagnosis which was

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he's non-verbal

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he's severe and he's

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like low functioning so that means he's

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very much on the

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the end of the spectrum because the kids

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are who have autism kids and people have

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autism it's a very wide spectrum

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well this is uh very much severe as far

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as self-help skills are impaired

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their ability to

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communicate

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functionally

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is very impaired

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developmentally

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it seems that the receptive language is

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impaired sensory disorders feeding

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issues sleeping issues it's very much a

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global

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developmental problem

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but when we were finally told that

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josiah would be one of about 40

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of those with autism who would never

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speak

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you know of course that

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is one of the most devastating things to

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a parent that you will never be able to

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have a conversation with your child

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right know what they're thinking feeling

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need yeah it's hard exactly and and the

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older they get

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the more frustrated they get

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that they're not able to communicate

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and so um you know we had found a we had

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gotten ipod touches back when they first

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came out and we noticed that our little

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son had you know been kind of interested

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in that so we had put a couple of you

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know preschooler apps on there when i

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heard the ipad was coming out i was like

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man i am going to be first in line to

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pre-order that thing because that is

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going to be helpful for kids with autism

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i believe

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and so we got the ipad and one of the

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first things that i saw

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was that even though he couldn't

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physically do certain puzzles like at

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his therapy center

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he had an app that had puzzle pieces and

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he was able to

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put the puzzles together

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and uh

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and you know they'd make a big fancy

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sound and i'm going okay for one thing

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is it that he doesn't understand or that

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there's some sort of gap between what he

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knows and what he can do

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so that that was kind of a big clue to

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me but then i went to a

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i went to a

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conference and there was a breakout

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session about

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activities for the nonverbal child

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it was there that

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it was absolutely devastating to me to

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see them talking about those that were

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in their teens and how they said you

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know a lot of these kids in school we

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just try to keep them

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you know calm we just they can be very

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violent

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and unlike the the kids with down

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syndrome and other diagnoses with these

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kids i mean if we can teach them maybe

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to like crush cans or shred paper

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that's basically kind of what we're

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that's my son's future crushing cans and

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shredding paper

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yeah that's what i have to look forward

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to

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yeah and

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i actually saw a documentary called a

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mother's courage

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and in that documentary i saw a child

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that was very much presenting like my

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son

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and one of the things it was even a

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short stint within the documentary there

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was a woman

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who was doing what was called the rapid

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prompting method

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and these kids that were

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you know look like they weren't even

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paying attention or like they didn't

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even know what was going on

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suddenly they are engaging and they're

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able to learn and they're able to spell

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by pointing at letters

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and on stencils starts with a stencil

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board goes to like a laminated board and

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eventually uh hopefully keyboard

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and uh so i thought i have to do that so

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i went to green bay wisconsin there was

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one place there that did it and we were

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i saw that he was in there the one thing

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that she told me that really changed my

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heart

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was

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we need to presume age level

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intelligence

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so suddenly i started looking at him

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differently

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and realizing you know what

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he's in there and i need to show him

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that i know he's in there

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and he was showing that he was he was

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understanding things

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we had done that uh particular method

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for about a year how old was he at that

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stage at that time he was six

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okay

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and so we had done that particular

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method for about a year it was slow

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going

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but again we were finding some like he

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was he was in there he was making

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correct choices i thought i'm teaching

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him how to spell

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um but

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we get about a year in and we do a

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refresher course

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i i was revitalized again

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about a month after that i'm sitting at

573
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,640
the table with him and we're doing a

574
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,039
lesson on a saturday night

575
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,799
and i decided to read to him from the

576
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,559
children's bible

577
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,080
and so i read to him about how jesus

578
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,679
healed the blind man

579
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:55,919
and then i said josiah jesus healed the

580
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,520
blind man what did jesus do did he heal

581
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,840
heal the blind man or did he play play

582
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:03,600
with the blind man you write that on a

583
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,559
piece of paper rip it in half you tap on

584
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:08,480
heal you tap on play

585
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:10,960
he chose appropriately the one that said

586
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,600
heal and i said okay let's spell heal

587
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,600
now we had the stencils but we'd also i

588
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:17,840
had downloaded an app on the ipad that

589
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:21,039
that is like alphabet the alphabet in

590
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,080
order

591
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,400
in big square buttons

592
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,400
and so he was kind of we were

593
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,320
experimenting with both

594
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:31,039
so he goes to spell what i am giving to

595
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,000
him

596
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,320
heal okay let's spell heal but he

597
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,080
touches g

598
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,679
and i'm like oh

599
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,159
okay he's missing it then he touches oh

600
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,760
i'm like go

601
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:44,640
he goes on to spell his first ever

602
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:47,919
independently driven sentence

603
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,520
wow is a good gift giver

604
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,909
he got chills i bet

605
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,600
that started

606
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,480
that that day that moment

607
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,919
is what

608
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,080
shifted everything

609
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,640
amazing so after you picked yourself off

610
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,320
the floor

611
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,080
exactly

612
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,400
what happened after that so you're like

613
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:14,080
did you go to your husband like oh my

614
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,280
gosh

615
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,600
yeah i certainly honestly i felt like

616
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,840
okay either i've cracked

617
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,559
or i'm on candid camera or am i being

618
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,120
pumped like what is going on here i

619
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:27,679
honestly felt like what in the world and

620
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,880
actually i felt i thought he was being

621
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,720
healed

622
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,799
if i wanted like we've been praying that

623
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,799
he would be healed and you know you've

624
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,640
been praying for years that and i

625
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,720
honestly thought like oh my gosh he's

626
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,880
being healed right now like

627
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,120
this is it wasn't just to me at that

628
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,480
point it wasn't just he's gaining

629
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,400
communication i'm like something has

630
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,039
happened i go back and ask him josiah

631
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,360
yes that's true but like how do you know

632
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,720
that because it's not like i go around

633
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,159
saying god is a good gift giver you know

634
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,400
that was it's not like you're inheriting

635
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,440
anything

636
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,000
and then he he goes on to type god is

637
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,669
and then that entire weekend my husband

638
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,280
had been out of town and i'm like i'm

639
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,679
calling him i'm calling my mom i'm like

640
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,520
you won't believe what just happened i'm

641
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,840
just freaking out that entire weekend i

642
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:17,679
just start asking him every question i

643
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,799
want to know like what's your favorite

644
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:20,240
color what's your favorite cartoon

645
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,280
character

646
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,520
uh we're like having these conversations

647
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,039
what do you want to be for halloween you

648
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,640
know all this stuff

649
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,880
he didn't let him sleep huh

650
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,799
i did it you know i mean

651
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,120
he was he was a little i think he was

652
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,880
surprised too and i think i was

653
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,200
surprised but um

654
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:39,919
but that's what started it but then as

655
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,159
time went on

656
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,559
it's he started writing stuff that was

657
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,520
like

658
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,760
wait a second he's never been taught

659
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,039
this and

660
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,159
i don't where are you getting this stuff

661
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,559
and it really

662
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,880
it really started with i had brought

663
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,520
home a lizard a little lizard i'd been

664
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,520
on a on a vacation

665
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,520
or a little trip and i brought home a

666
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,880
lizard and i'm like well what do you

667
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,320
want to name it and i'm asking him

668
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,159
different things and he starts talking

669
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,520
about like the anatomy of the lizard

670
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:13,679
really and how they have like age he

671
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,039
says they have ageless tails

672
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,799
and um

673
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,320
he starts saying like a lot of people

674
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,159
think they have scales but it's actually

675
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,559
aspiration pores and all this stuff and

676
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,760
i'm like

677
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,240
how do you know this i mean

678
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,080
you're not getting that and he's seven

679
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,600
years old

680
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,440
at the moment unless you were in some

681
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,080
kind of advanced biology class no no so

682
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,240
my husband and i start like i'm like

683
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,640
look up look up these things like on the

684
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,720
on the web like what does it say about

685
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,720
lizards you know so we're like looking

686
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,559
this up and it's like oh well

687
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,360
ageless tales like okay if a lizard

688
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,120
loses its tail it actually will grow

689
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,960
back like that's what that means you

690
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,960
know that's what he means by that

691
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,159
um well

692
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,320
honey we're coming just about to the top

693
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,159
of the hour break but i mean the bottom

694
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,159
they are break but we'll be right back

695
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,640
and uh this is fascinating stuff really

696
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,720
yeah let's be right back after the break

697
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,350
it's great to be back with tommy and

698
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,760
heidi and i'm so glad that i came across

699
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,960
this information about you on

700
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,880
spiritdaily.com it's a

701
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,360
it's this is some really good stuff

702
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,760
so let me go ahead and uh step out of

703
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,120
the picture for a minute

704
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,880
because you were talking about all this

705
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:28,960
developing information and

706
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,240
endless or what endless tales or

707
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,400
uh of the lizard and stuff that this kid

708
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,640
could no way no i mean no way never been

709
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,720
exposed to

710
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,799
yes and then he started

711
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:43,200
excuse me he started sharing things that

712
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,320
were like

713
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,480
of heaven somehow

714
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,480
he started having like these wisdom

715
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,679
words

716
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,039
things like

717
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:53,760
uh faith is believing for kites to fly

718
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,559
when there's no wind in sight

719
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,159
oh wow and

720
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,880
faith is picture it done

721
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,520
and these kind of like quotes these kind

722
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,120
of like sayings

723
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,039
well and then he started talking about

724
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,120
things that i'm like what where what are

725
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,360
you seeing what are you hearing i was

726
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,679
just very confused as to where all this

727
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:15,919
was coming from because even though you

728
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,600
know we we talk about jesus in our house

729
00:26:23,789 --> 00:26:21,600
it's not like these were things that he

730
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,799
would just be picking up from our

731
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:25,840
conversations or

732
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,880
from the tv or things like that it was

733
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,600
different and he was very poetic in the

734
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:33,039
way that he was

735
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,840
day i decided well let me i gotta test

736
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,039
this like

737
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,880
i'm just gonna test this and i and i

738
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,120
said josiah could you fill in the blank

739
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:44,799
for me

740
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:48,880
my favorite place in heaven is

741
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,080
and he goes on to write his very first

742
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,120
poem like this or what he calls a song

743
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,799
and he writes this

744
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,039
my favorite place in heaven is over

745
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:02,240
peaceful waters peace is real

746
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,640
tired souls naturally test peace roses

747
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,600
are so stunning worship the king

748
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,679
sing loud to the prize pardon who

749
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,720
requires praise angels taste of his

750
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,360
holiness ordained great attitude of

751
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,240
praise help us worship the lord together

752
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,799
please him all you hail the king of

753
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,679
majesty forever make a noise to the king

754
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,440
on the throne

755
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,360
i got goosebumps

756
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,559
wow

757
00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:31,600
and

758
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:36,400
you know he he can be very very slow

759
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,400
in in writing things like it's almost

760
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,960
like words the words themselves come

761
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:43,520
quickly but his motor skills

762
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,039
are the difficult part but that he wrote

763
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,279
so fast and i'm going

764
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,679
okay for one thing i can't i can't sit

765
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:53,440
down and just write a poem or anything

766
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,480
like that

767
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,880
for another thing i don't know how you

768
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,799
write something like that unless you've

769
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,679
like

770
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,880
experienced it somehow it does sound

771
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,559
experiential instead of just

772
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:07,760
philosophical yeah it does exactly so so

773
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:08,799
that

774
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,799
took it to the next

775
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:15,360
stage or the next level and then things

776
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,720
just kept compounding from there

777
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,000
wow

778
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,559
so what happened next so he's he's

779
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:25,279
expressing this love and admiration for

780
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,240
god

781
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,760
but it got even more personal right

782
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,279
yes it got very personal i mean he

783
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:33,440
started talking about um

784
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,880
he started talking about people that

785
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,279
were family members that he had never

786
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,120
met

787
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,360
he started talking about very specific

788
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,440
things that he would have never known

789
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,679
about and even things that

790
00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:48,960
i

791
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,200
many many years ago you know and then

792
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,360
there'd be something that was like a

793
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,240
particular thing that was like whoa

794
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:09,679
that is

795
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,919
would he would talk about angels seeing

796
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,279
angels

797
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,840
now i i want to tell you like you know

798
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,640
people might be going oh that is so cool

799
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,840
well you know

800
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,880
as a parent and actually as a

801
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:26,880
person who's like working in a church

802
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,559
who's a pastor like i i was not super

803
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,559
excited about what was happening here

804
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,200
because again this is not like on my

805
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:36,960
grid i don't quite know what to do with

806
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
this i don't want to shut it down i want

807
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,480
to be open because i know

808
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,039
that like the kid isn't really capable

809
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,520
of just dreaming this stuff up

810
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,880
this isn't like imagination gone wild

811
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,520
right i see like that's not even a

812
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:54,880
tendency of

813
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,840
people with autism really don't

814
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,480
tell tall tales so did it strike you

815
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,159
right away that

816
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,799
this is a real thing happening or did it

817
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,440
take a little bit for it to sink in that

818
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,520
god is involved somehow

819
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,520
i knew i knew it was a real thing that

820
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,960
was happening

821
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,000
um

822
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,080
from the beginning

823
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,399
because i don't know how else it could

824
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,440
have been

825
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,799
probably the hardest thing is

826
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,559
you're dealing with what others might

827
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:26,000
think

828
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,120
right

829
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,640
has she lost it is he hallucinating

830
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,279
is this schizophrenia i mean all of

831
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,279
those things all of those possibilities

832
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,760
is she trying common knowledge uncommon

833
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,760
knowledge like that uh that's not

834
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,720
hallucinating though i mean uh right

835
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,159
now don't necessarily tell a

836
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,000
psychologist like yeah my kid is hearing

837
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,559
voices and seeing angels you know

838
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,559
oh yeah it's not it's not something you

839
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,520
lead with

840
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,559
um

841
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,880
so so yeah there's all this there's kind

842
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,039
of this struggle between oh my goodness

843
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,080
god is real he is there my son is

844
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,440
somehow like

845
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:04,000
experiencing something and honestly my

846
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,960
heart

847
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,679
and my husband i mean obviously not only

848
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,600
are we getting to to have just regular

849
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:11,200
conversations with our kid it's not like

850
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,520
he only writes spiritual things

851
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:14,880
you know we were able to know like he

852
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,389
you know when you're when you're talking

853
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:24,880
here i'm i'm i'm feeling and i'm i'm

854
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,520
hearing like this reality that

855
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,600
essentially smacked you

856
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,159
and i get it i've been in that situation

857
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,000
as kevin shared i wrote a book called

858
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,399
jesus is no joke i called it that

859
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,480
because that's all i could say

860
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,399
repeatedly like you know this man is for

861
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,240
real you know he's no joke

862
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,519
i mean

863
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,120
lowe's has you covered for all those

864
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projects on your summer to-do list and

865
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will even help you save give your home a

866
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867
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868
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869
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870
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871
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872
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hanging baskets all projects have a

873
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starting point start with lows paint

874
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875
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,519
five exclusions apply plant offer valid

876
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six twenty eight through seven five

877
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color and selection vary by location

878
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,960
while supplies last us only

879
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,440
when you when the reality of you know

880
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,760
we're all taught you know about faith

881
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,840
and to keep a certain habit of things

882
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,640
but

883
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,039
when it's really really real it is a

884
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,720
whole other level so i i get it i really

885
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,080
do i really really it really becomes you

886
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:32,000
dealing with the

887
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,320
reality of your own ego and reputation

888
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,360
when you're going i know this is real

889
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,480
yeah but what will people think of me if

890
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:43,840
i

891
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,799
know

892
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,080
personally i couldn't keep my mouth

893
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,159
closed i'm like you look when when god's

894
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,840
looking your way

895
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,360
there's no shame

896
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,480
that's how i feel well i actually had to

897
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:04,720
from a christian perspective

898
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,519
i had to learn about the gift of

899
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:09,279
prophecy

900
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:12,080
i had to learn because my son was

901
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,279
demonstrating prophetic gifts

902
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,240
and i guess different people can call it

903
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,000
different things i choose to call it

904
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,559
prophetic someone might call it psychic

905
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,039
but i choose to call it prophetic that

906
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:28,480
he he was able to relay things

907
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,080
um from heaven's perspective

908
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:34,799
that right they rang true

909
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,000
and they were they were um a language

910
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,799
and a cadence that was different than

911
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,960
anything else except that it was

912
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,480
confirmation

913
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,760
of

914
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,519
this god that

915
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,159
is actually talked about very distinctly

916
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:52,240
in the bible but we kind of have our own

917
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,480
dogma around it this was free of dogma

918
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,480
this had no agenda

919
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,440
it just was so pure and it really

920
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:04,080
it did something inside of my heart i

921
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,360
started

922
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,720
loving

923
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,399
jesus and god

924
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,119
so much more and you know one morning

925
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,760
josiah woke me up and and

926
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,359
he would he would wake up a lot in the

927
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,720
middle of the night which is not the

928
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,079
greatest for me

929
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:20,240
but uh i'd stumble out you know i

930
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,760
stumbled out and

931
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,200
and i'm like

932
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,599
um yeah what what do you wanna you

933
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,280
wanted to communicate

934
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,079
and so he's like you know god wants to

935
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,919
tell you about

936
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,399
about the trinity now

937
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,839
oh yeah

938
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,200
um

939
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:40,320
okay or he said the triune god

940
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,919
and i'm like um okay when i say said he

941
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,960
typed it

942
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,359
i'm like okay i can't say i was thinking

943
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,919
about the trinity but okay what do you

944
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,599
what does he want to say

945
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,679
and so he writes in the trinity the

946
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,240
father is the manager the son is the

947
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:59,040
lover of operations holy spirit is

948
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:00,240
worker

949
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,920
so it's three in one getting things done

950
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,920
the world was created only by three

951
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:08,160
functions that went like this

952
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,599
the father thought it the son loved it

953
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:14,160
holy spirit carried out the plan

954
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,839
that

955
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:16,720
is works mom

956
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,400
father son holy spirit lack nothing they

957
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:22,000
all talk together about how things

958
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,200
should go

959
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,280
life is simple if you know that he is

960
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,520
papa he is healer

961
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,040
he is helper

962
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:31,280
so man must voice father what do you

963
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,400
think

964
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:34,880
jesus what do you love

965
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,000
spirit what should we do about it

966
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,599
this is your mission

967
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,320
do what the father thinks and what jesus

968
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,200
loves and what the spirit tells

969
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,960
beautiful

970
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,960
gosh wow this isn't stuff from a kid i

971
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,400
mean this is definitely not something

972
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,040
that would emanate from a child

973
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,359
practice of speaking in sentences like

974
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,280
you and i would do i wonder if that

975
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,200
comes into play or is this truly you

976
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,440
know from above in the way that they're

977
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,839
expressing it to him that's

978
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,119
magical

979
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,160
well he would talk about being in school

980
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,400
like being taken up

981
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:12,240
and almost getting like schooled in

982
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,359
heaven

983
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,680
oh my goodness i know what he's talking

984
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,480
about are you serious has he described

985
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:20,880
the buildings he goes inside he talks

986
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:24,640
about he talks about um open air

987
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,640
um with like almost triangular desks

988
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,880
and and he talks about there are like

989
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,200
different places one place almost looks

990
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,320
like like chinese with like the

991
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,440
canopies and like the open-air sides

992
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:42,720
um it talks about sitting at a triangle

993
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,760
like almost like 50 or so kids

994
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,440
um

995
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,599
almost sitting at a triangle they solve

996
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:51,920
like they solve problems in a triangular

997
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,680
form using this formula oh my goodness

998
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,800
yeah

999
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,079
so fascinating

1000
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,320
it's really wild but but what's really

1001
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,880
cool is i didn't like again i didn't

1002
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,240
have a grid for this i didn't even know

1003
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:06,960
like okay the kid is not having

1004
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,000
it's not like he's this is a

1005
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,640
near-death experience he's not on any

1006
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,920
drugs

1007
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,520
um he's not

1008
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,440
he's not you know going under surgery

1009
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,119
how is this happening

1010
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,200
he's kind of like trying to figure this

1011
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,960
out and trying to look into this what is

1012
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,480
who is this happening to you know the

1013
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:27,200
only one i could find was akiana

1014
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,160
um

1015
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,480
who who's you know typical not with

1016
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,040
autism but this is the wild thing within

1017
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,119
the last three months

1018
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,440
people that have heard our story have

1019
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:39,839
contacted me and the same thing is

1020
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,800
happening with a lot of people

1021
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,920
yes

1022
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,839
that learned exactly the same way to

1023
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,599
communicate and they are coming out the

1024
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:49,920
same things and actually just a week and

1025
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,720
a half ago we went to a camp

1026
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,880
where these guys

1027
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,640
got to meet each other

1028
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,359
and communicate with one another

1029
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:02,079
like in a social way

1030
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,470
this is a phenomenon believe it or not

1031
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,839
people are

1032
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,320
waking up with memories of being in a

1033
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,960
heaven-like place and others

1034
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,560
unfortunately are waking up with

1035
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,520
memories of a hell-like place and the

1036
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:21,920
revelations that that are coming forward

1037
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,040
i i've had similar things but i

1038
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:27,040
over the years have come across so many

1039
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,240
others so

1040
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,800
it's it's magnificent for you know the

1041
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,040
kids with you know the the difficulties

1042
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,680
in everyday life are able to tap in in

1043
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:36,720
such a

1044
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,160
a pure manner this is this is awesome

1045
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,320
well i think that that's for me for me

1046
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,040
as his parents

1047
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,520
i i started realizing you know

1048
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,640
um

1049
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,640
there are gaps

1050
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,880
that i cannot reach

1051
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,800
no matter how hard i try

1052
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,720
no matter what i do

1053
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,200
i can't make him

1054
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,040
be better

1055
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,680
i can't make him respond

1056
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:04,400
but

1057
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,280
god is

1058
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,359
filling certain gaps

1059
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,960
and i think that in a lot of these

1060
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,160
children and a lot of these people that

1061
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,720
there there is like this

1062
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,400
this gap

1063
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:23,119
somehow they find god they they reach

1064
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,480
for him

1065
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,119
because he's what they've got

1066
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,839
or he reaches for them and assures them

1067
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,240
that he's there i'm not sure

1068
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,960
but but it's it's a really beautiful

1069
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,880
thing because like i said

1070
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,640
it doesn't have

1071
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:39,920
an ego

1072
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,119
and it doesn't have an agenda it's just

1073
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,680
beautiful

1074
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:47,040
wow

1075
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,079
yeah

1076
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,800
my goodness so the the other kids that

1077
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,920
you said they all got together and

1078
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,240
they're sharing and discussing among

1079
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,000
themselves like did any of them

1080
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,640
recognize each other from being in the

1081
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,640
heaven school like place

1082
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,920
well um

1083
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,400
we didn't discuss that exactly at camp

1084
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,280
but there was uh there was a

1085
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
a time that um one of the kids that

1086
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,880
actually ended up going to camp uh

1087
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,440
josiah and he had had kind of a

1088
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,720
back and forth conversation through

1089
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,440
email and it's almost like they did like

1090
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,280
this call and response thing where they

1091
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:21,920
like knew this they knew the answer like

1092
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,560
they were speaking the same type of

1093
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,079
language

1094
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,720
and like you two and then the the one

1095
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,200
responded back and then they were like

1096
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:33,520
they knew the same

1097
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:34,480
like

1098
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,839
well it was really weird it was really

1099
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,000
cool but it was really like okay they're

1100
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:44,960
like on some like the same network

1101
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,359
how many kids got together

1102
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:49,440
well at the camp there were actually

1103
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,320
about

1104
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,480
it was a camp for special needs

1105
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,599
um but of them there were about seven

1106
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:58,240
that had like this severe autism that

1107
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,520
that that's how they speak is by

1108
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,200
pointing at letters using this rapid

1109
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,640
prompting method

1110
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,440
and um and so that was incredible

1111
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,520
because you know what their ministry

1112
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,160
wasn't just it was church camp their

1113
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,960
ministry wasn't just we're doing we're

1114
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,160
putting on

1115
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,520
a service or chapel for these kids

1116
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,000
they would get them involved and say do

1117
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,480
you have a word for somebody

1118
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:24,240
do you have something that you want to

1119
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,200
add

1120
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:27,599
it was absolutely incredible

1121
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,200
wow goodness so it's gotten more intense

1122
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,440
over i mean like how long has he been

1123
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,040
speaking on these things i mean how many

1124
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,440
years have passed now um

1125
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:40,000
three and a half four

1126
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,880
has

1127
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,040
changed uh is he talking about future

1128
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,920
events what we need to do as a society

1129
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,240
or well we have a we have a facebook

1130
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,200
page called josiah's fire that actually

1131
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,640
started it before we ever wrote a book

1132
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,800
or ever planned on writing a book

1133
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,079
and uh

1134
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,920
every day we pretty much post something

1135
00:42:03,109 --> 00:41:59,920
that is uh a

1136
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,119
a quote or a poem or a thought

1137
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:05,440
and there's some pretty profound stuff

1138
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,240
there

1139
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:08,480
but but one of the things um if i may

1140
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,280
share

1141
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,920
that was one of the most powerful things

1142
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,800
um

1143
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:14,000
was

1144
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,599
an imax theater presentation

1145
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:21,440
and afterwards i said okay where do you

1146
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,560
want to go do you want to go back into

1147
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,400
the zoo do you want to go somewhere else

1148
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,880
so i pull out the ipad and he spells

1149
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,599
take me to the mall of america and god

1150
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,920
will have a surprise for you there

1151
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,000
really that's like

1152
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,720
okay like what could that be so we go to

1153
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,240
the mall of america

1154
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,560
i get him his mcdonald's burgers i go to

1155
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,880
noodles we're sitting eating our our

1156
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,040
food and we get done and all of a sudden

1157
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,200
we're like walking and he we i always

1158
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:48,800
have his hand

1159
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,400
and he starts like leading me somewhere

1160
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,160
and i'm thinking he must be going to the

1161
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,760
toy store or something but he leads me

1162
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,760
down this corridor and he sits me down

1163
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,200
at this bench

1164
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,920
he motions for my purse to take my ipad

1165
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,800
out

1166
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,680
and

1167
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,640
he goes on to to tell me that i need to

1168
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,480
talk to the nice girl that's placing

1169
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,200
little stairs his way

1170
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,280
and i'm like who are you even talking

1171
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,280
about i don't see anybody that you're

1172
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,599
even talking about and then he goes on

1173
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,880
to write love is love tell her that

1174
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,800
i'll be forced to voice my love for her

1175
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,000
myself

1176
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,680
now is the time to work the floor like

1177
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,280
it's party time

1178
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,200
tell her words

1179
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,560
take her breath away

1180
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,400
tell her that love is born out of

1181
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,839
choosing god

1182
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,000
not choosing wicca which is like

1183
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:39,280
witchcraft

1184
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,200
yeah is love not more daddy issues pick

1185
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,599
a spiritual daddy it is boy's father it

1186
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,960
is god choose him not a brother hood of

1187
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,000
robbers

1188
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,000
because you need me god says

1189
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,520
and i'm like

1190
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,359
oh my gosh first of all i'm like my

1191
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,960
heart is pounding like i'm not gonna

1192
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,520
have to tell this to somebody am i

1193
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,839
i'm like freaking out about that

1194
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,839
secondly i'm looking around going who is

1195
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,400
he even talking about

1196
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,560
and so i'm looking around and all of a

1197
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,520
sudden

1198
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,880
way back

1199
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,280
kind of around the corner i see like

1200
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,280
this group of 20 something standing

1201
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,720
there and this one girl kind of has like

1202
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,880
a black kind of i don't know like

1203
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:23,040
longish codon and i'm like oh that must

1204
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,160
be the witch

1205
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,280
gothic yeah so i i'm like am i gonna

1206
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,520
have to go over there i'm wrestling with

1207
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:31,839
this all of a sudden they come and they

1208
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,200
turn and they come in front of our bench

1209
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,040
and i knew it was like now or never i

1210
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,800
gotta just jump up

1211
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,720
and i'm like

1212
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,440
excuse me are you very um

1213
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,000
spiritually inclined

1214
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,319
and she's like yeah i guess

1215
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,400
and uh i'm like okay

1216
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,520
um

1217
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,119
you know i explained to her about josiah

1218
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,720
i think i might have a word for you can

1219
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,960
i just read it to you and at that time

1220
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,359
there were no spaces or punctuations a

1221
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:01,359
punctuation in what he wrote so i'm like

1222
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,560
literally

1223
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,119
reading it not lifting up my eyes from

1224
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,680
the ipad where it has all of these words

1225
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,760
just running together and i read it and

1226
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,400
i look up and i say is does that make

1227
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:14,720
any sense to you and she goes

1228
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,480
no not really and i my heart just sunk i

1229
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,880
thought oh my goodness we totally missed

1230
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,920
the boat

1231
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,640
the girl next to her in a sunny bright

1232
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,800
yellow tank top

1233
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,960
beautiful bob hair

1234
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:32,079
uh beautiful blonde hair she goes that's

1235
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,920
not her she takes her tank top shows me

1236
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,880
a five-point pentagram tattoo on her

1237
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,839
chest she says that's me

1238
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:42,960
i

1239
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,720
whoa okay sorry the cape threw me off

1240
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:57,040
okay never mind you

1241
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,319
are you like what is this like honestly

1242
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,839
how could this happen

1243
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,720
that in the biggest mall of america

1244
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:05,520
that

1245
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,000
god god the god of the universe the god

1246
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,960
of the bible chose to intersect with

1247
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,240
your life

1248
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,640
to get you a message

1249
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,839
i mean

1250
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,319
that's pretty free wow what did she was

1251
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,040
she blown away did she take it to heart

1252
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,880
she goes well i haven't even been to

1253
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,800
church since i was in ninth grade i was

1254
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,440
a lutheran

1255
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,640
and i'm like okay well i i said hey you

1256
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,480
know and i just like loved on those guys

1257
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,640
like her you know her her friends are

1258
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:40,319
like i think it means that you need to

1259
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,670
and

1260
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,200
it was just funny i'm like giving them

1261
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,640
hugs i think they thought i was totally

1262
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,680
crazy

1263
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,680
but i said hey i'll send this to you if

1264
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:53,119
you give me your email address i'll send

1265
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,400
this to you

1266
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,200
and um you know i just blessed them and

1267
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,280
you know we talked a little bit i never

1268
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,119
heard back from her again maybe she gave

1269
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:02,960
me the wrong email address i have no

1270
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,079
idea but what that did for me

1271
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,839
was it said this you know what

1272
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,960
god loves

1273
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,079
people

1274
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,400
that don't even love him back that

1275
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,079
aren't pursuing him

1276
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,480
that are even opposed to him

1277
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,359
and the love that i had for people all

1278
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,960
people

1279
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,119
just grew so much that day because i

1280
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:27,280
thought god will literally move heaven

1281
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:28,400
and earth

1282
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,560
to get to somebody

1283
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:32,640
and it was just such a

1284
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,280
an awesome awe-inspiring experience

1285
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:40,079
like that wow that's wild

1286
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,040
ah

1287
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,000
so what do you feel i mean when you get

1288
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,520
these kinds of hints like that what do

1289
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:47,040
you feel is

1290
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,480
you know the

1291
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,319
the point what is the main point of it

1292
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:52,720
all to get people back to church to

1293
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,470
well you know here's the deal

1294
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,829
i really think that

1295
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,079
all of this is happening like literally

1296
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,440
in the most mundane and even chaotic

1297
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,720
life

1298
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,480
you know josiah still has the symptoms

1299
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,760
of autism

1300
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,440
he still very much

1301
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,359
has behaviors and all these things it's

1302
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,680
not like he's like this zen kid who's

1303
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,160
just like oh i'm so con contemplative

1304
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:24,000
and i'm just coming out with this stuff

1305
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,359
it's just like in the middle of the most

1306
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,040
mundane

1307
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,119
and even chaotic just everyday life

1308
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,160
and yet what i'm seeing is

1309
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,400
i think god's going like

1310
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,640
if you choose me

1311
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,800
to intersect

1312
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,680
within your everyday life

1313
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,480
on even the littlest things

1314
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,119
you will start seeing me

1315
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,520
like everywhere

1316
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:52,640
and

1317
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:58,240
seeing me even like my

1318
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:02,000
my eyes open to even what nature you

1319
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,880
know

1320
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,200
fills me up with gratitude about or

1321
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,200
seeing different signs out there that go

1322
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,280
that was a wink from god like i'm

1323
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,960
recognizing that i'm not going to reason

1324
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,400
it away anymore

1325
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:13,760
because

1326
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,079
this is so real if it is not real

1327
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:21,200
i'm either a crazy person

1328
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:22,240
um

1329
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,920
or like some you know really bizarre uh

1330
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,920
you know this is a really bizarre scheme

1331
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:30,800
or something but i know this is real

1332
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,319
this is happening and to me it says god

1333
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,680
is there

1334
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,160
he cares about people and this is the

1335
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,000
other piece is that

1336
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,319
whereas heaven is often talked about is

1337
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,960
like this crossing over place this very

1338
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,599
far chasm away from us and our loved

1339
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,800
ones are up there and i don't know

1340
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,720
dancing on a cloud somewhere

1341
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,880
actually until the redemptive plan of

1342
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,800
jesus christ is carried out in this

1343
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,599
earth all of heaven is actually turned

1344
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,400
toward and oriented toward what we are

1345
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,400
doing here on earth

1346
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,800
they care about what we are doing right

1347
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,920
now

1348
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,160
they can often see us

1349
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:10,240
they they even

1350
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,200
like

1351
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,760
declare things over our lives so that we

1352
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:14,720
might

1353
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,680
come into our design in our destiny you

1354
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,200
know um

1355
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,160
it's a beautiful thing because heaven

1356
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,640
is far more interactive in our world i

1357
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:27,440
think than we give it credit for and i

1358
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,240
think

1359
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,319
you know aside from obviously the the

1360
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,240
piece with the book that i want to bring

1361
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,000
hope to people who have

1362
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,400
um difficult situations where they've

1363
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,920
been having faith and they wonder if

1364
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,720
god's even there if he even sees

1365
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,319
um you know

1366
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,160
maybe they have a kid with autism maybe

1367
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:46,319
they have a sickness that that just has

1368
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,280
lingered

1369
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:50,000
maybe they know this this journey

1370
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,599
of faith and fear and doubt well tommy

1371
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,280
tony we're coming up right to our top of

1372
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,440
the hour break but uh

1373
00:51:00,970 --> 00:50:59,280
it's fascinating stuff we'll be right

1374
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,980
back we'll be right back

1375
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,720
[Music]

1376
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,640
well it's great being back on with tommy

1377
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,319
and heidi and we were talking on the

1378
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,319
break about you you talked with

1379
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,559
linguists about uh the language that

1380
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,640
some of these messages have come in and

1381
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,720
and what were they saying it's something

1382
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,640
unknown to them or

1383
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,960
yeah well i i spoke to one lady who

1384
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,280
she's she's a linguist by perfect uh

1385
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,480
profession

1386
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,440
and she said i've studied thousands of

1387
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,760
languages she actually was a bible

1388
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,319
translator but also has studied many

1389
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:31,680
languages

1390
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,880
and she says um i

1391
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:37,760
i can't like this doesn't have

1392
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:41,200
a meter or a type that is

1393
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,559
that i can put in a particular like

1394
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,319
language or culture

1395
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,839
uh pocket it's just like different but

1396
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:52,400
again it rings true

1397
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,079
it's like it lacks um his writings black

1398
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,240
cliche

1399
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,240
you know for me if i'm writing poetry or

1400
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,760
something like that i don't care as hard

1401
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,880
as i try if you say it's raining i'm

1402
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,160
going to be like cats and dogs cats and

1403
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,760
dogs cats and dogs like

1404
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,880
it's raining cats and dogs you know yeah

1405
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,800
he just has a way like just just

1406
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,200
yesterday i posted this on facebook he

1407
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,920
he wrote you know daily rays of golden

1408
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,960
sun

1409
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,200
find us first

1410
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,400
and we hold our life in light and face

1411
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,079
the gift of wonder

1412
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,119
if god is the father of lights we can

1413
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,400
see his faithfulness in the sun and moon

1414
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:33,760
and stars

1415
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:36,559
we can bank on this permanence

1416
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,880
if we need a fact to look on with faith

1417
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,359
holy smokes

1418
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,280
i mean that's the kind of stuff that he

1419
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,920
comes out with he's 10 years old now you

1420
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,400
say he's 11. he's 11.

1421
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,400
holy smokes

1422
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,079
unbelievable and so you know it's just

1423
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,839
it's just one thing after the other like

1424
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:58,079
that just the way that he languages

1425
00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:59,119
things

1426
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:02,480
is kind of it's unlike

1427
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,559
it's just not schooled you know it's not

1428
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,960
it's not what somebody has taught him

1429
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,040
you know how to write one day he said

1430
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:12,839
mom i want to write i want to write a

1431
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,400
book um like a kid's book

1432
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,599
and i was like

1433
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,079
okay um

1434
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:22,160
okay i guess we could do that like what

1435
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,520
he's like it's called little prince of

1436
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,640
my heart

1437
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,480
and i'm like okay and so

1438
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,720
the time goes on and then he's like i'm

1439
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,040
ready to write my book now i'm like how

1440
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,280
does one do this like you want to do an

1441
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:35,680
outline or what he's like no outline and

1442
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,040
he goes on for like the next two hours

1443
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,480
you know and i'm having to like i mean

1444
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,079
it's not like he sits down like oh i'm

1445
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,760
typing like a regular like i have to sit

1446
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,599
beside him i have to get him you know i

1447
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,119
gotta put the ipad up for him you know

1448
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,640
all this stuff so

1449
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,720
one little letter at a time with his

1450
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:53,200
pointer finger he writes this beautiful

1451
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,200
like and it's almost like an allegory

1452
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,240
about a kid in a tin suit

1453
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,079
who breaks out

1454
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,880
and it was a beautiful story and i

1455
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:05,760
thought

1456
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:09,440
i don't get it but it's amazing how this

1457
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,960
is happening and how these things come

1458
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:12,880
to you it's almost like his first

1459
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:17,599
language is like a poetic expression

1460
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,119
how did you get this pulled together to

1461
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,760
reach the world i mean like you said

1462
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,839
it's like once you're you you're sitting

1463
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,000
there alone getting this these messages

1464
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,640
but you know then to put it into a book

1465
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,440
i mean that's that's a big feat

1466
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,240
i never i never thought i would um it

1467
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,640
actually like honestly god opened up the

1468
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,040
doors i i just had nothing

1469
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,440
i had no intent to

1470
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,839
force anything or do anything like that

1471
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,839
um i actually just started kind of

1472
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,520
sharing my story

1473
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,440
and we had done like the facebook page

1474
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,440
because josiah said josiah wrote to me

1475
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,920
one day i tell you all these you know

1476
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,359
things but you never put them on

1477
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,760
facebook this was years ago before we

1478
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:01,680
did the book and i'm like how do you

1479
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,480
even know what facebook is yeah that's a

1480
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,559
good question i know

1481
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,280
and so i was like okay well i'll do a

1482
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,680
facebook page and well you know maybe my

1483
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,920
mom will look at it and a few of my

1484
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,280
friends you know

1485
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,000
well today we have like almost 17 000

1486
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,640
people from all over the world on the

1487
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:22,240
facebook page

1488
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,200
um

1489
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,839
but it was we started sharing i started

1490
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,760
sharing the story

1491
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,319
and there was a lady who

1492
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:32,160
uh cheryl ricker who co-authored the

1493
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:33,440
book with me

1494
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,800
she happened to be

1495
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,200
um at this event that i was sharing our

1496
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,200
story at and she comes up to me and

1497
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,040
she's like have you ever thought of

1498
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,960
co-authoring a book

1499
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,880
she said i'm a writer i actually write

1500
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,599
people's miracle stories

1501
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,680
and god told me she had never come to

1502
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:51,839
this she said god said you will find

1503
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,480
your next project here

1504
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,359
and uh i said well you did not like i

1505
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:59,040
literally skinned this skimmed the

1506
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,920
surface and uh we're this is gonna take

1507
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,240
a while so i went to her house

1508
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,520
in rochester minnesota and spent the

1509
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,920
weekend with her and anyway we decided

1510
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:11,760
to write this book together and the

1511
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,280
collaborative was really um probably

1512
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,960
the only reason it got written because

1513
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,760
it's very hard to write a book

1514
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,599
oh that's terrible you know you really

1515
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,920
want to quit about a million times uh

1516
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,280
and you just are kind of like why am i

1517
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,799
even doing this

1518
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,040
and

1519
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,280
this uh tommy tiny where's the best

1520
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,200
place to get it is it uh i guess i'm

1521
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:36,480
sure it's at amazon and yeah amazon.com

1522
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:40,400
amazon.com um it's in barnes and nobles

1523
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,280
um

1524
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,920
and uh you know christianbook.com you

1525
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,640
can also go to josiahsfire.com

1526
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,559
and we also have a second book that just

1527
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,640
got released uh just a couple months ago

1528
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:53,040
and it's uh it's called the good gift

1529
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,680
giver um and it's a 21 day devotional

1530
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,520
oh that's that's very good that's great

1531
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:01,760
yeah we saw a word off of josiah's

1532
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,440
quotes write little daily devotionals um

1533
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,280
about the reflection that we had from

1534
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:08,880
them and then add scripture and

1535
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:15,750
have you ever spoke with michael brown

1536
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,040
the spirit daily.com uh editor

1537
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,640
because he that's where i saw your

1538
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,599
information no actually i

1539
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:25,359
i didn't even know that he did an

1540
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,559
article on us until you contacted us so

1541
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,160
he didn't well no it's highlighted on

1542
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,799
that it's highlighted on there a lot and

1543
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,119
of course now heidi's uh

1544
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,680
a protestant but

1545
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,520
i'm a catholic but obviously this goes

1546
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,720
uh

1547
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,920
you'd be surprised how many catholics

1548
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,599
really have embraced this book because

1549
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,280
you know what talks about oh i know well

1550
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:49,599
see spirit daily.com is a catholic

1551
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,960
website of course i mean and it's uh

1552
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,440
it's tremendous and uh i see it on there

1553
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,319
all the time he's highlighting the book

1554
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,000
well yeah i've really i've actually been

1555
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,839
surprised how well it has been embraced

1556
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,760
certainly there are people that have um

1557
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,839
theological issues with it

1558
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,160
um you know i'm a person that uh i was

1559
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,400
going to ask about that because i i've

1560
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,960
run into that wall before it's like yeah

1561
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,960
oh really this is christian i'm talking

1562
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,319
from a christian perspective they're

1563
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,079
like you know all you need is the bible

1564
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,400
it's like i understand that but god

1565
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,400
still speaks to us today

1566
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,079
yeah you know that's yeah that's right i

1567
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:26,000
guess that's been the biggest thing is

1568
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,599
like you know i i in in no way you know

1569
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:31,839
i'm i'm a student i'm a student of the

1570
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,720
word of god i i was a ministry director

1571
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,799
a pastor

1572
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:39,599
at a church you know i'm a very sound

1573
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,599
person in my theology and so um you know

1574
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,319
bringing some of this stuff forward even

1575
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,799
challenged some of my own thoughts

1576
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,880
and my own notions

1577
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:51,760
um

1578
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,280
but i really had to test it and you know

1579
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,680
um just bring forth what i did and

1580
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,359
actually i've been very

1581
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,280
pleasantly surprised

1582
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:03,599
across many denominations and actually

1583
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,280
those that are um even not churched and

1584
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,240
even you know some people in even like

1585
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:12,319
new age circles are kind of looking at

1586
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,799
this going okay i recognize some of this

1587
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,559
they are kind of like coming at it from

1588
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,240
a different angle but like i'm seeing

1589
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:22,319
something here and it it's ringing true

1590
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:23,520
to me

1591
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,640
that's cool

1592
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,960
and so it's been very interesting i'm

1593
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,880
surprised how many people have actually

1594
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,280
embraced it and certainly there is a

1595
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,359
sector of people who say

1596
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,440
it really is that idea that god doesn't

1597
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,079
speak anymore he's done revealing things

1598
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,799
and yeah if you want to get information

1599
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,400
about god or heaven it's all in the

1600
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,920
bible and you don't need anything else

1601
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:46,559
and basically that idea that like this

1602
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,760
must be

1603
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:49,680
inspired

1604
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:53,280
falsely yeah yeah that's the challenge

1605
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:56,480
and that's fine you know what i i want

1606
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,440
people

1607
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,520
to wrestle with it and i want them to

1608
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,359
study it out themselves

1609
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:03,359
and i want them to discern

1610
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,160
so

1611
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,960
that's totally fine and they don't i

1612
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:09,200
don't have to convince them question for

1613
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,799
you does josiah does he describe feeling

1614
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:14,720
as if he is

1615
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,000
going to heaven at certain times i mean

1616
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,160
what is he just seeing visions what is

1617
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,680
it what is he how is he describing yeah

1618
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,280
there's absolutely there's actually a

1619
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,599
chapter in the book that we we addressed

1620
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,040
that um

1621
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,119
specifically because i actually asked

1622
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,599
him kind of point blank

1623
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,240
as he matured his writing even was able

1624
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:36,960
to mature i think for a while he wasn't

1625
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,000
he wasn't really able to

1626
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:42,079
explain like he's explaining things but

1627
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,359
i'm trying to figure out what he's

1628
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:44,960
saying

1629
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,839
and then it got more and more where it's

1630
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,920
almost like he was understanding more

1631
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:51,200
what he was seeing

1632
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:54,400
and able to put context to it

1633
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:01,349
he still doesn't speak with his mouth

1634
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,480
oh okay

1635
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,520
um

1636
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,480
but uh yeah he basically explained to me

1637
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:08,400
that you know

1638
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,680
various things one is that at night when

1639
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,119
he falls asleep

1640
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,839
that it's like he's taking up it to help

1641
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,240
like an angel comes and like takes him

1642
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:20,880
into a heavenly space

1643
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:22,880
where it's like it's like he's in his

1644
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:25,760
mind and his spirit

1645
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,640
and he might learn things he might see

1646
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,799
people he might experience certain

1647
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,799
things that god leads them to or

1648
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,520
different people you know um he talked

1649
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,280
about a time like

1650
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:39,680
basically like there are certain things

1651
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,640
that

1652
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,599
you know

1653
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,599
in heaven god allows you to like see

1654
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:44,960
sound

1655
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:49,440
so like there's like these crossing over

1656
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,559
of senses that he brings forward

1657
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,319
um

1658
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:56,640
hearing things seeing things that are

1659
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,920
like amplified many many times and

1660
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,599
and so like there's really some cool

1661
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,680
stuff that he'll talk about you know

1662
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,200
that is really

1663
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,359
wild um

1664
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,760
but uh yeah and then he also says that

1665
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:12,480
he will at times like hear

1666
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,599
like

1667
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,200
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offer valid six twenty one three seven

1679
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,599
five exclusions apply plant offer valid

1680
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,720
six twenty eight through seven five

1681
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,240
color and selection vary by location

1682
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:43,359
while supplies last us only

1683
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,880
here in his ear say like a an angel

1684
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,680
um

1685
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,160
you know sometimes you know

1686
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,960
sometimes even dark entities can be

1687
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,720
drawn to kids like these

1688
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:56,079
yes um

1689
01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:59,520
to intimidate them especially

1690
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,000
um so you know we have to we have to

1691
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,079
deal with some of that uh what i would

1692
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:06,720
call spiritual warfare as well

1693
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,559
and um but he can hear he sometimes can

1694
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,640
see in the spirit

1695
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,440
um a lot of these kids actually will see

1696
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,599
colors on people

1697
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,000
you know uh where they can see even like

1698
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:21,920
colors around people

1699
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,480
like their aura type thing yeah yeah

1700
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,640
yeah oh yeah and so so there's some of

1701
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,280
that um and but you know sometimes you

1702
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:31,440
can tell like whether it's

1703
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:34,160
it's just coming like straight from his

1704
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:35,440
thoughts and filtering through and

1705
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:37,039
sometimes it almost seems like he will

1706
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,000
write

1707
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:40,559
almost like he's dictating

1708
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,400
what's being told to him

1709
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,640
as he's listening i guess yeah

1710
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,440
because it's just a different like

1711
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,119
it's just different than what he usually

1712
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,280
would just write you know you know

1713
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,200
something i have to tell you

1714
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,599
when i first like had like when jesus

1715
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,160
showed up i mean immediately after i had

1716
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:00,319
my first encounter with him

1717
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:03,760
a demonic thing came my way and it was

1718
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:05,920
terrifying and i'm like what on earth

1719
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:09,119
and and someone told me they said well

1720
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,400
now i know you're telling the truth i'm

1721
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,240
like what do you mean they said well

1722
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:14,960
that is that's outright you know

1723
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,520
a typical follow-up to a jesus encounter

1724
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,200
yeah i know i don't i don't mean to

1725
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:21,280
interrupt it's our last point

1726
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,109
well time is going quickly that i guess

1727
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,280
it always does on good shows like this

1728
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,359
because uh snap your fingers and the

1729
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:32,960
whole time is gone

1730
01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:35,359
but tony this is excellent material and

1731
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,000
i'm glad that i picked it up on

1732
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,839
spiritdaily.com and

1733
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,160
it's it's synchronistic that heidi has

1734
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:44,640
had some of the same experiences

1735
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:45,680
yes we

1736
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:48,880
we have definitely have to get in touch

1737
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:50,079
yes

1738
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,599
right i mean

1739
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,000
it's it's really wild i mean i don't run

1740
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,799
into people you know who gets this and

1741
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,319
understands you know

1742
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,640
we're getting messages i mean i don't

1743
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,880
know i'm something's going on where a

1744
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:04,799
lot of well i think i think

1745
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:07,520
the church the church

1746
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:10,720
needs to wake up catch up yes

1747
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:11,839
and

1748
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,240
you know not be afraid of this stuff but

1749
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,000
know that god has communicated in this

1750
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,680
way for millennia

1751
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:19,760
yes and just because we're good

1752
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:21,359
reasonable people

1753
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:22,799
who you know

1754
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:24,400
did all you know follow all the

1755
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,079
religious rules

1756
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,559
uh doesn't mean that god has changed his

1757
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,000
tone

1758
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:32,480
exactly if he's choosing to communicate

1759
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:33,520
in this way you know there's a bible

1760
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:36,240
verse that says he will use the simple

1761
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,280
things

1762
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:39,200
to confound the wise

1763
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,119
and he also says that we have to have

1764
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,520
hearts like children or we won't even be

1765
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,680
able to enter into the things of the

1766
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:47,440
kingdom of heaven

1767
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,319
so you know i think in our perceived

1768
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,400
wisdom and our

1769
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:55,119
reasoning and all this stuff

1770
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,760
that that has really seeped within even

1771
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:00,480
the walls of the church that we haven't

1772
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:02,839
left a lot of room for the spirit of

1773
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,319
god i believe it i believe it it's

1774
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,319
there's different things that that reach

1775
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,160
different people and

1776
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,640
i always think that when they're ready

1777
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,480
they'll get the message but you know

1778
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,720
time feels short for some reason like

1779
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,359
we've got to get to this already and

1780
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:21,280
start opening up some eyes ears and

1781
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:23,920
souls out there i i don't know it's well

1782
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,920
and i i think there's the thing you know

1783
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,440
i don't

1784
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,680
it's not just with kids with autism but

1785
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,720
i believe

1786
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,799
that in this time you know we're talking

1787
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:35,119
about joel 2 where it says you know that

1788
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,799
you're young your your daughters and

1789
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,640
your sons they'll dream dreams see

1790
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,559
visions you know all of these things

1791
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,119
they'll prophesy well you know i think

1792
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:45,039
that we're in the generation where

1793
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:48,480
honestly um the voices of the children

1794
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,559
are trying to be silenced

1795
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,319
it's almost like the enemy is coming

1796
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:54,880
against these voices that actually can

1797
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,079
bring so much more good into the world

1798
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,240
and actually i was so shocked that

1799
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:02,640
someone told me that um you know there's

1800
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,359
generation x or generation y that kind

1801
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:07,280
of stuff that they're actually calling

1802
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:11,359
this generation the silent generation

1803
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:12,400
wow

1804
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,599
that is that is chilling to me

1805
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,160
our kids today

1806
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:21,440
need to be nurtured to be able to bring

1807
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,559
in

1808
01:07:30,590 --> 01:07:24,559
a much better

1809
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:37,910
[Laughter]

1810
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:40,309
i tried to negate a call and when i did

1811
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:44,710
but

1812
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,200
great having you tiny it really has i

1813
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,200
really appreciate you guys uh getting in

1814
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,280
touch with me oh tony

1815
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,960
and we're gonna chat after this

1816
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,960
girlfriend absolutely

1817
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,559
i have to get a hold of your information

1818
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:01,039
i'll grab it from kevin sure oh that's

1819
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:02,960
something oh well mine's in the back of

1820
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,760
my book too so

1821
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,760
oh i'm gonna read your book now

1822
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,920
awesome that is so awesome i'm getting

1823
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:11,440
yours

1824
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:13,359
please do

1825
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,720
we'll compare it

1826
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:16,960
heck yes

1827
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,759
okay well tony you take care and uh what

1828
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,920
we'll do is we'll send you a link to the

1829
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,960
show

1830
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,480
and so you can use it wherever you want

1831
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,880
to use it or what have you sounds great

1832
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,400
well i really appreciate

1833
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:30,000
connecting with you guys

1834
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,040
yes

1835
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,279
a blessed evening yeah you too thanks so

1836
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,440
much thank you

1837
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,040
okay

1838
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,719
well golly uh

1839
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,159
that's some

1840
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,239
tremendous information i'm glad i picked

1841
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:45,600
it up on spirit daily i just i just and

1842
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:47,839
it's it's on there

1843
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,279
if you read the book

1844
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,279
there's actually you know as a catholic

1845
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,120
you'll probably appreciate that there's

1846
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:54,960
a there's a chapter in there where i

1847
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,560
actually go to a hermitage

1848
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,480
um for three days

1849
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:03,279
of total silence

1850
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:04,319
oh wow

1851
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,679
and

1852
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,839
it's a it's a catholic you know it's a

1853
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,199
catholic journal i actually went to a

1854
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,759
catholic college and so did my husband

1855
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,920
uh so did heidi i don't know why

1856
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,319
all women's catholic college yeah well

1857
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:18,000
not all women's but

1858
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:27,269
who was president of our college um

1859
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,239
sister thomas um she

1860
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,159
she's she's been very involved with our

1861
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,400
lives even since you know we were

1862
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,319
they you know they came to our wedding

1863
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,400
was there at her you know

1864
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,640
um graduation reception and stuff like

1865
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,319
that and it's kept in touch

1866
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:44,319
she uh she read the book and they were

1867
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:46,480
sharing it among you know the the

1868
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:49,759
sisters the benedictine sisters there

1869
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:52,719
and uh they loved it i was like really

1870
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,600
that's awesome um well this isn't a this

1871
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:57,280
isn't uh you know one faith has got the

1872
01:10:00,950 --> 01:10:00,159
number on it kind of thing but uh i uh

1873
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,960
yes

1874
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:02,880
i wrote a book on marion apparition some

1875
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:05,360
years ago myself but uh

1876
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,400
it's

1877
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,480
you know i've had quite a few catholics

1878
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,440
ask me if josiah's had any

1879
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:13,920
uh experience with mary

1880
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,159
or any any thoughts about that or any

1881
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,239
and it has it

1882
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,080
yeah he has actually

1883
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,159
um it it actually

1884
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,880
it actually wasn't when i wrote the book

1885
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:27,280
it came after the book

1886
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,679
um but but very you know very briefly

1887
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:33,120
one thing that was kind of interesting

1888
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:34,239
about it

1889
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,280
um

1890
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:37,679
is he was describing about how

1891
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,440
i would have never made this connection

1892
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:41,600
i just think it's really a cool thought

1893
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:44,000
yeah how noah

1894
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:45,520
and mary

1895
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,640
are actually very similar

1896
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,360
in that both of them were

1897
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,800
um promise bearers

1898
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,800
so the the

1899
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,400
the ark

1900
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,000
that noah

1901
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,719
physically built

1902
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,560
um was

1903
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:06,400
a womb

1904
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,760
to

1905
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:10,159
restart humanity

1906
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:12,320
oh wow

1907
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:13,760
civilization

1908
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,719
and mary was actually a womb

1909
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:18,640
to restart

1910
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,280
rebirth so how about that

1911
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:23,679
through jesus christ

1912
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,800
ha isn't that something so

1913
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:28,800
i thought that was really interesting

1914
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:31,280
they're both i'm curious if mary's is as

1915
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:33,890
is as busy as catholics believe she is

1916
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,600
[Laughter]

1917
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:37,679
the interesting thing the interesting

1918
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,719
thing though is that she's not i at

1919
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:42,880
least from what josiah has said i don't

1920
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,310
you know

1921
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,920
like the fourth person on the throne or

1922
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,120
something

1923
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,040
yeah i get the sense that she's very you

1924
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,880
know like she's honored but like not

1925
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,560
necessarily like

1926
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,719
um protestants rule that's all you have

1927
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:00,000
to say

1928
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,600
no of course i'm just telling i'm just

1929
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:03,760
saying

1930
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:06,320
but very much like a righteous a

1931
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:09,760
righteous this is what josiah said

1932
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,320
just like with noah god was looking for

1933
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:15,840
a righteous altar

1934
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,560
to interact with he was a righteous

1935
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,679
person

1936
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:21,840
that the spirit of god was able to

1937
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,719
interact with this righteous person to

1938
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:26,239
bring about

1939
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,760
this like restart

1940
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,280
essentially of civilization and humanity

1941
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:33,120
and then he actually talked about like

1942
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:34,000
the

1943
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,159
physical things

1944
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:40,320
involved with like oh man could the ark

1945
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,600
have really happened like you know can

1946
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:45,840
can people or can all that fit in the

1947
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,320
ark and we're thinking very logically

1948
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:50,719
about you know this story

1949
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:53,920
when he what he talked about was

1950
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:56,560
the process and the act

1951
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,000
at which

1952
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:00,800
noah for that hundred years was

1953
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:05,040
doing what god said in building that ark

1954
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:06,159
um

1955
01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:11,840
physics you know like yeah yeah it was

1956
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,239
able to supernaturally intersect with

1957
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:16,880
what god wanted to do because it was

1958
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more about him being obedient to be a

1959
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conduit on this earth than it was about

1960
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literally physically like that ark in

1961
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and of itself could have rebirthed

1962
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humanity

1963
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:32,239
it was like it was an altar you know it

1964
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was an altar of sacrifice makes sense

1965
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:38,159
well listen you uh johnny we'll take

1966
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,760
we'll keep being touched i know heidi

1967
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will and i sure haven't

1968
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truly truly said you guys definitely yes

1969
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oh gosh i feel like i made a new friend

1970
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it's all good i know i'm excited to read

1971
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,120
your book now and uh cool

1972
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,440
and keep in touch yeah definitely what

1973
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do you want to um

1974
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you want to take down my email address

1975
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or do you have that

1976
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i'm getting that from kevin oh yes

1977
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:03,360
awesome and my information is mine's in

1978
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the book too so you can reach out that

1979
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:08,000
way and um kevin what was the name of

1980
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,120
your book

1981
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:11,679
it's marion apparitions are real

1982
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awesome

1983
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well yeah i guess

1984
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out at the end of the line on the show

1985
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:21,760
up uh tony i guess we better bid you

1986
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:24,320
good night and uh

1987
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,000
absolutely

1988
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,320
well now next week of course is uh july

1989
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4th and we're going to have an archive

1990
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show

1991
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and then uh vacation

1992
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well there is that and uh actually um

1993
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i've got jmr scheduled for the week

1994
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thereafter but we'll have to see how his

1995
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health is permitting on that yeah lots

1996
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of prayers needed for jim mars

1997
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oh wow

1998
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i guess so i i didn't know all these

1999
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,800
issues uh but i i did have him scheduled

2000
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but we'll have to see on that and i've

2001
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,080
got a marine uh uh retired marine uh

2002
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,679
that'll talk on some political issues

2003
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after the week after that so

2004
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okay anyhow i guess we better head off

2005
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into the night but hey guys it's really

2006
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great talking with you thanks so much

2007
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good night everybody

2008
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